<Omnipresence> URL: [docs.google.com] Zachary Weil - Google Drawings
<Calica> oh, cool, you set up stats already, I don't think anyone else has
<Myrdradek> I should set mine up
<Myrdradek> They need to add up to ten, right?
<Icon> Stamina + Will + Lore do, IIRC.
<Calica> Yeah, Stamina+Will+Lore=10 at the start
<Calica> and the book gives suggestions
<Calica> page 29
<CentralAve> what's a suitably unnatural looking scar? :?
<Calica> Definitely use one of the descriptions from 29-30
<Myrdradek> Okay, got my stats
<Myrdradek> David isn't very fit, and he's not super strong willed, but his family's book collection has some extremely useful texts
<Icon> For Christa I'm unsure atm. Either 2/4/4, 2/5/3, or 2/3/5
<CentralAve> my text is too big :K
<Yarrun> And the cover score?
<Calica> CentralAve: just delete 4 and 5 from the bound demons list
<Calica> we'll worry about those later
<CentralAve> 'k
<Calica> CentralAve: Specialized combat training and mad; what'd she get up to?
<CentralAve> Still thinking about that ^_^;
<CentralAve> oh fuck i picked the same stats as Christa
<CentralAve> 4/4/2
<CentralAve> gonna have to change that aren't i
<CentralAve> hang on, gonna help a driver
<Icon> I was just about to comment on that, lol.
<Calica> My first impulse with those descriptions is "she was in Iraq, found something Man Was Not Meant To Know on an army base" tbh
<Calica> but that feels a little too something/racist
<Myrdradek> CentralAve you can have different descriptions
<Calica> also don't worry about having the same stats: your characters shound end up pretty different
<Myrdradek> And a different demon and different goals, yeah
<Icon> Is my Cover the same as my Will?
<CentralAve> ok back
<Icon> Also for my Price I'm thinking Bookish (though not secluded), or Arrogant
<Myrdradek> I'd think my Cover would be something relatively low profile and boring
<Icon> Myrdradek: but his family's book collection has some extremely useful texts
<Icon> Er, sorry
<Icon> < re that, it rings like the more academic version of Christa, by comparison, to me.
<Icon> In that she learned through... uh, many experiences.
<Calica> Myrdradek: I was thinking, especially since Icon compared your guy to Waver Velvet, probably just a student or something, lol
<CentralAve> Cover is basically what you pretend to do as your everyday job, right? I'm thinking Helena is, uh, what's a socially acceptable term for an overzealous mercenary?
<Calica> CentralAve: "community watch" :p
<Icon> Yes.
<CentralAve> hee hee, i like that
<Icon> (As an aside, that was a compliment to your guy Myr, since Waver rules imho.)
<Myrdradek> Calica Good idea
<Myrdradek> I was kind of assuming he was in college anyway
<Myrdradek> So is Cover equal to Stamina or Will?
<Myrdradek> The text says it gets dice to either stamina or will, which isn't quite clear to me
<Calica> Myrdradek: Pick one, yeah
<Calica> and the value represents "this is how good my character is at being an X"
<Icon> "Security Professional" I like it, haha.
<Icon> Re gang: I was thinking not like some big thing, but something more akin to the Yellow Scarves or Dollars, for a weeb as fuck comparison, if a good one.
<Icon> If that even works, though it fits with her.
<Calica> Price doesn't have to be from the list, but it does have to be in a significant set of situations: here is where becoming a sorcerer has fucked you up
<Myrdradek> So would "Timid" work? Where I get a -1 to rolls where I'm under immediate physical danger?
<Myrdradek> Or have good reason to believe I'm in immediate physical danger
<Icon> Calica: I know, it's just that they both seemed accurate.
<Calica> Myrdradek: I'd scratch out "immediate" maybe but I think that'd work
<Myrdradek> Okay
<Icon> Perhaps "Unstable", in some sense?
<CentralAve> The book has "Scarred" which is pretty close to what I was thinking...I think by randomly choosing things that appealed to me I made a character who's a mercenary with PTSD :v
<Icon> Hm...
<Calica> Also I'm not sure how "bookish" relates to running a gang
<Icon> Yeah, that was other stuff
<Yarrun> Think I might switch my price to physical coward
<Calica> CentralAve: sounds like a decent start to me, though I'd think about just what fucked her up the most to give her that, how she became sorcerous, etc
<CentralAve> Calica: Yeaaaaah I will admit I'm pretty much making this up as I go along, as tends to be how I do things >_>
<Calica> The other thing is, that diagram on the right isn't just for show. It's supposed to be the people and things important to your character; just hit the "T" box on the top to make new text boxse for that
<Icon> Maybe simply getting involved fucked her up?
<Calica> Icon: I mean, why'd she get involved, then?
<Icon> Right.
<Calica> And the book mentions, there are sort of three layers: a person, a person who's a sorcerer, and a sorcerer who faces a Kicker
<Calica> Icon: What exactly does Christa's gang do? How does she keep it together? Where does the money come from?
<Calica> Myrdradek: " It's important that the
<Calica> items are only nouns of this time, not adjectives or attitudes or anything else"y
<Myrdradek> I just saw that, lol
<Calica> CentralAve: also I'll be honest, the capital letters first made me think of freeman-on-the-land "not my real name" type stuff
<Calica> CentralAve: Is Helena a conspiracy theorist? tbh I'm kind of suspecting Helena's a conspiracy theorist
<Icon> Shoplifting, fraud, removing of unnecessary people that infringe on her space in this city-town-whatever (see: "get in the way of sorcerizing"), at times simple destruction of property. I was thinking since she's been familiar with teh magix early on, she used that to directly and indirectly make a name for herself (though only those in the know know?).
<CentralAve> Calica: That makes more sense with the character I have in mind than it has a right to, really
<Icon> With enough threatening you can get the cash, and after awhile it becomes self-sustaining.
<CentralAve> (I used capital letters to set it apart from the headings :v)
<Calica> Icon: I'm also going to have to say, the way your character is going: don't forget that she's supposed to be something of a protagonist, but the way you're going i'm worried she's gonna turn into a straight-up villain :P
<Icon> OSRCERY IS ILLUMINATI.
<Icon> SORCERY*
<Icon> Calica: She donates to charities and helps around the city and whatnot, as Christa the regular girl. u_u Although yeah toning it down/finding a sweet spot is something I'm having trouble with exactly.
<Icon> Like, the small-time ganging is large enough to have something of a hold on the area, but, like, only there.
<Calica> Icon: actually I think I'm not sure I want you doing a gang leader in the first place, I think that might be a bit much tbh
<Icon> ("like")
<Icon> Hmmm.
<Icon> Alternatives...
<Myrdradek> Maybe she was a rebel in her early days, but she's shaped up now?
<Myrdradek> Like during her teens
<Icon> Well I mean I wrote for color in the backstory that she started experimenting with sorcery early on, by setting a subway train (without people) on fire...
<Calica> "shaped up" by summoning a demon :p
<Icon> I'm trying to strike a balance between "does not care" and "is actually evil/fucked up" as a starting point.
<CentralAve> See I'm thinking that Helena is largely amoral
<IllFlower> It's not a game in this channel without a pyromaniac, eh?
<Calica> she shouldn't be evil yet
<Calica> or amoral yet
<Icon> Yeah, evil, hm. Then I'll go with recluse~!
<Icon> No
<Icon> Hrrmph
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<Icon> Yannow I'm just going to go with regular bookstore employee, or something like that
<Myrdradek> I'm thinking of a good kicker
<Calica> Myrdradek: we gotta get to demons first
<Myrdradek> Okay
<CentralAve> I'm tempted to run with the conspiracy theorist thing. Like, she thinks she's doing what's best for everyone, but doesn't have a good enough grasp on reality to understand what that means
<Myrdradek> That's a good idea
<Calica> CentralAve: I like that
<Calica> I'm just going to note that none of your characters yet really have an opening for a living NPC that knows anything about magic :P
<Calica> Icon: And remember you should be writing a character that we can care about, that cares about things
<Myrdradek> Huh
<Yarrun> Thinking up NPCs for Zachary has been kind of difficult, honestly. Con men who skip town once every few months or so don't keep a lot of friends
<Icon> Mhm.
<Calica> Yarrun: Is there anyone back home he tries to keep in touch with?
<Yarrun> Maybe one or two friends who keep watch on the people hunting him
<CentralAve> "Journals of sorcery experimentation" wait a minute i didn't type that
<Calica> Yarrun: I will say that for the kicker we'll probably have to think of something that anchors him
<Icon> CentralAve: Wrong tab, sorry.
<Icon> >_<
<Icon> Not, like, manager exactly, but something that implicitly says "is trusted and has ben there for awhile"
<Calica> Icon: how's her relationship with her boss
<Yarrun> It might actually be good if we did the reverse of the usual kicker thing
<Icon> It's pretty aight. She's a good worker and whatnot.
<Calica> Yarrun: ?
<BGTB2005> I wonder how much effort it would take to map the Conservators to a Sorcerers character sheet
<Calica> Icon: What about her roommate? What does her roommate think?
<Yarrun> Zachary's life being upended is kind of commonplace at this point, so maybe we should have him find something worth not running for
<Icon> I was thinking she lived alone. :v
<Calica> Yarrun: Well, I mean, a kicker is something that changes the fundamental structure of your life, so that'd just be a regular kicker ;)
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<Yarrun> As long as it works, i ain't complaining
<Yarrun> hey, Juan
<Yarrun> ...In terms of NPCs, Zachary does have the secondary goal of picking up more Lore whenever he can
<Calica> Yarrun: For what purpose?
<Calica> Keep in mind you don't bind demons by accident
<Yarrun> To gain enough knowledge so that, one day, he can go back to his hometown with a bunch of demons and sort out the people who have been trying to kill him
<Icon> I'm thinking just 'cause she's able to interact with others nicely and build up a lot of people that like her, and she's at least positive towards, doesn't mean she isn't already selfish
<Icon> E.g. all of that experimentation's for her own goals, which would be furthering her knowledge of it in itself. Which might be worked into Lore nicely?
<CentralAve> ok maybe this will come to me more clearly if i take it one step at a time
<Calica> Icon: Yeah, but what does she use the demons to do
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<Calica> or, well, at the start, her one demon
<CentralAve> we have helena who has some kind of trauma in her past, likely involving some kind of military thing since she has combat training and something's driven her mad
<BGTB2005> Emulate Hikari? :P
<CentralAve> and she and her partner work as "security specialists" i.e., hired goons for some bigshot millionaire or something
<CentralAve> i really am failing at this ._.
<Calica> CentralAve: nah, you're doing well
<Icon> Pft.
<Icon> # bgtb
<Icon> @*
<BGTB2005> :3
<Calica> I'm mostly frustrated at trying to get Icon to make a character that someone would actually want to root for :p
<Icon> Sry.
<Myrdradek> Icon is a cop on the edge who doesn't play by the rules
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<Icon> I've been restructuring her, at least.
<Myrdradek> Icon well what would you say is your character's human element? Is there someone or something she cares about?
<Icon> Oh yeah, the city she lives in.
<Icon> And perhaps by extension the people, but that seems corny?
<Myrdradek> Maybe she just likes the people in general, and the way they act and live their lives
<Calica> Well, what does she want to do for the city
<IllFlower> Pave it over and turn it into a parking lot.
<BGTB2005> fight for JUSTICE and demon-y things?
<Calica> CentralAve: So you think she might be a hired goon for a bigshot millionaire; what's that douchebag like
<Calica> Christa's an underground private detective. :P
<Icon> Not like she doesn't give a crap about the human world, so much as has had an infatuation with the not-it. Don't see how it's too out there to want to bring more, well, everything into it. Instead of #13 for tourism, #1 (except fuck tourism), more centers of activity, that sort of stuff.
<Icon> Calica: Wait what.
<Icon> Also that first sentence was @ Myr
<CentralAve> Calica: I imagine he uses her for his own goals while simultaneously feeding into her fears about the government, or something.
<Calica> CentralAve: well, what are his own goals
<BGTB2005> Global domination
<CentralAve> Perhaps she turned to sorcery because she fears a government uprising will put everyone she cares about under martial law and she's looking for a way to stop it? (again, making this up as i go along)
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<CentralAve> Calica: Embezzlement comes to mind, somehow
<Calica> 17:56 <Icon> Calica: Wait what <---the "cares about the city" thing made me think of something else, I'm sorry
<Icon> Oh
<Icon> Ack, sorry, I'm also making this up as I go along (in some respects). So perhaps there's been a recent... I was going to say "gangs/whatever are moving in and she doesn't want them there", but that rings too close to "murder" when really I'm going for "something is corrupting this city and it must get out." Which she figures she could use sorcery for (and she's familiar enough with Lore, similar to Dav
<Icon> id).
<Calica> people are up to no good in her neighborhood and she wants to scare 'em off/straight?
<Myrdradek> That's an idea
<CentralAve> It's better than moving with her auntie and uncle in Bel Air, I suppose
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<Icon> Yeah, that'd work.
<Icon> As for how she was pre-sorcerizing... well, since it started young-ish, I'd say they sort of influenced each other: Wow this sorcery weirdness is so cool, like my world but different. Like, interest begetting/pronouncing new or prior interests
<Icon> Think of all that you could do~
<Calica> "wow, summoning hoorrifying monsters that break the laws of reality is so cool~"
<BGTB2005> sign a contract with demons, become a magical girl?
<Myrdradek> Calica this is the moral of Digimon
<Calica> BGTB2005: i mean it's supposed to be pretty faustian
<Icon> Calica: Wellllllll.
<Icon> Re quote
<Yarrun> Digimon allows for creatures who break physical laws while still being whimsical and carefree
<Yarrun> Now that I think about it, reskinning Sorcerer as gritty Digimon wouldn't be a bad thing, per se
<Icon> I'm not going for naive, since she's not an idiot or like Hikari, but like sub-nightmare fetishism
<Calica> Yarrun: Vince Baker reskinned it as Pokémon for his kids so
<Yarrun> That is adorable
<Yarrun> Having trouble thinking of stuff for the Price triangle
<Yarrun> Partially because I'm not quite set on Zach's price yet >_>
<Calica> Yarrun: Think of negative consequences of your Price
<CentralAve> I feel like I'm at a point right now where if I had an evening to think about this character I could actually develop something coherent >_<
<CentralAve> I enjoy developing characters but I'm not good at doing it on the fly
<Calica> CentralAve: well, at this point I'm not 100% sure I'm going to finish char creation tonight
<CentralAve> alright
<Myrdradek> We might want to wrap up this bit, then go onto demon creation nextr
<Myrdradek> time
<Myrdradek> And also have more time to think about our characters?
<Calica> I think Icon's rejiggering her character right now
<Calica> CentralAve: I'll actually say you have enough for now, maybe add more tonight
<Icon> Well, Price is still a toughie, as I think it should be to me. Something to flip her world upside down...
<Calica> flip her world upside down's the kicker
<Calica> price is what sorcery has already done to her
<CentralAve> Calica: Alright, I'll think it through some more next time I'm whatevering.
<Calica> the minor damage to her life
<CentralAve> Where by "whatevering" I refer to that idle time where I just let my imagination wander. That's a thing normal people do, right?
<Myrdradek> I do that
<Icon> Ahh, right. I'm thinking something like a decrease in her standard connections, with friends or family (probably not in contact with the latter as much due to independence). Since it's just minor damage.
<Calica> She has trouble talking to people?
<Icon> Something about those taking a hit. Could be a growing sense or paranoia, or trouble holding connections (I'd imagine reading so much of this stuff would have at least a little bit of an affect on her mental state, of not outrageously so?).
<Icon> Although paranoia is a strong word, and not quite what I'm thinking about.
<CentralAve> brb, gonna go for a bathroom run while things are quiet here
<Calica> well paranoia's already a suggested Price so
<Icon> Unintentional. >_>;
<Myrdradek> It's kind of the opposite of mine, where she's now performing best when she's under pressure
<Icon> How do you mean?
<Calica> the suggested Paranoia price is -1 when not in immediate danger
<Icon> Right
<Icon> I could see it as being self-serving, too. "I don't like being alone, so when alone I'm going to unintentionally worsen things by thinking all about the magics"
<Icon> Which makes getting out of the house nice, if she's a bit weird to talk to.
<Icon> Like, when working, I mean. :v
<Icon> Not dysfunctional just... off?
<Yarrun> think I might switch to paranoid
<Yarrun> I don't like having -1 apply to so many things, but it's probably best for roleplaying
<Calica> you can get the -1 back by roleplaying anyways
<Calica> just gotta make the other participants say "holy shit" and paste old joseph joestar gifs
<Icon> lol.
<Icon> Secluded could work too, but that doesn't entirely work with actually Being Outside, even if I just mean tends to spend excessive/unhealthy amounts of time alone.
<Calica> and besides, it just gives you incentive to get yourself in danger all the time
<Calica> Icon: given where the -1 is for the example secluded/bookish, it means has trouble actually opening up sometimes, etc
<Icon> That could work. She was quite the personable person, though you can see the affects of this stuff.
<CentralAve> i'm back
<Icon> Personable person ,lol, I mean good with interacting but now... well, not Ayako-level awkward, just someone to be indirect when you prod about her.
<Myrdradek> Hey guys, I think I might have to leave right now
<Icon> Secretive?
<Myrdradek> Is there anything you want from me?
<Myrdradek> I could come back in ten or fifteen minutes, is that necessary?
<Icon> Ack, sorry if I've dragged this on too long with my rejiggering. >_>;
<Myrdradek> It's cool!
<CentralAve> Icon: You're cool
<Myrdradek> I think I've done most of what's required
<Calica> Myrdradek: Right now, probably not. Yeah, you can bail for a couple mins
<Myrdradek> kay, be back in a bit
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<Calica> I kinda wish he wouldn't've actually quit IRC but w/e
<CentralAve> Calica: I can pastebin him when he gets back
<Calica> Icon: One thing is, I'd include when you're doing the -1 to your rolls
<Icon> Er could you rephrase that, even if the roll part makes sense?
<Calica> in your price
<Calica> it just says secretive?
<Calica> and I'd also think of some cases in her life where secretivity has really hurt her
<Icon> Yeah ? because I'm not sure how to clearly define this. I'd imagine something like causing her to lose friends and/or become distant with some/them
<Calica> so maybe "former friend" or "now-distant friend"
<Icon> Yeah that works.
<Icon> Brb feeding dogs.
<Icon> Back.
<Icon> I modified her stats to be 2/3/5/3 since although she's a manager, "not always there" could be an apt description.
<Yarrun> Think I'm almost done
<Yarrun> Which seems like a good time to mention that i have ideas about my demon
<Calica> cool. We can get to demon ideas now as we wait for Myr to return
<Calica> don't want to go too in-depth until he's there but
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<Calica> okay, cool
<Calica> I think it's basically demon time
<Icon> Also, I'm thinking she's so adept at dressing up stuff because that is one of the two ways to deal with the whole... it's not paranoia obviously, but keeping to herself, and having all of this stuff to study on herself, if that makes sense
<CentralAve> Myrdradek: give me a sec, I'll pastebin you what you missed
<Myrdradek> Okay
<Icon> (The other case being to simply study it more, because Obviously That Helps.)
<Yarrun> i got to the warp power and how it can create instant doors, and I immediately thought about those portable holes that show up in old Looney Tunes
<Myrdradek> I actually had a fairly fleshed out idea for a demon
<Calica> I don't have much in the way of fleshed out Ground Rules for Demons yet so just say your ideas
<Yarrun> From that, I came up with the idea of a demon who basically supports life as zany and madcap as possible
<Calica> and we can decide what we like
<CentralAve> I have even less idea for a demon than I did for a sorcerer...demons can be, like, objects right?
<Myrdradek> Okay, so my idea was a Passing demon that takes the form of a cat
<Calica> CentralAve: Object is one of the four types of demon listed in the book so yes
<CentralAve> I like the idea of my "security professional" having a demon with electricity-manipulating powers who takes the form of her taser
<Icon> Considering Christa summoned this demon to get whatever is ruining her city out of the way, I imagine it's something... violent? Rowdy? Forceful? She's going cleanly and quickly getting rid of whatever it is, after all, little sense in holding punches.
<Myrdradek> It looks basically like a normal, slightly larger than average cat, but if you look closer it seems to move just as fast as cats do, but without the grace, and the mouth seems much too wide and the teeth too jagged
<Icon> (Also it's rather like her to get in over her head, in a sense; I'm Christa, of course I could handle this, I'm knowledgeable on them.)
<Myrdradek> Obviously most people won't notice it, because who looks that closely at cats that aren't yours?
<Omnipresence> URL: [docs.google.com] Sorcerer demons sheet - Google Sheets
<Icon> Not sure on physical details, though I had the idea of a shadow, taking physical for or not, in mind. Looking at the sheet
<Calica> Myrdradek: I think I like the idea of cat demon
<Myrdradek> It wants to see conflict and competition to entertain itself, and it's Need is that it can't feed itself, and needs to eat at least one thing slain by the sorcerer it's bound to once a week
<Myrdradek> It can be something as small as a mouse or an insect, though
<Myrdradek> Well not insect
<Myrdradek> That's too easy
<Calica> tower of grey
<Yarrun> Sorry, got bogged down trying to find the right reference picture.
<Yarrun> The demon would be something like this, except a generic 1930s cartoon character rather than bugs bunny
<Icon> I imagine because she's going for something strong (if perhaps there's a group of people?), it's out for blood, which she can most obviously control, obviously.
<Yarrun> and the tell would be that the cartoon has to blink every once in a while
<CentralAve> hmm, let's think this through a little more...if Helena's summoned a demon to stop the Upcoming Martial Law, what kind of demon would she summon? :7
<Calica> CentralAve: electricity's important, of course
<BGTB2005> how much does she care about roads?
<Calica> BGTB2005: not that much, we're not doing self inserts :p
<Icon> I imagine my demon as something that's humanoid-yet-monstrous, which is out for mayhem and destruction; the less clean parallel to David's demon wanting competition. Christa was going for power above all else; whatever is in the way has to be removed quickly, and she's intelligent (read: smart and arrogant) enough to think, "Hey, I can control punchghoster."
<Calica> So I've got Myr with demon cat, Icon with some sort of violent powerhouse, Yarrun with a wacky character watch, and CA with maybe a taser?
<Icon> Lmao.
<Icon> "and, uh, taser. yes."
<Yarrun> I wouldn't say wacky. More like madcap.
<Calica> well, a taser with more general electricity powerz
<Icon> Madcap?
<Yarrun> It's desire is for entertainment, and it's need is risk
<Icon> Oh, eccentric.
<Yarrun> *its
<Yarrun> It's powers are based around getting the user out of trouble
<CentralAve> Ok but really is taser a stupid idea?
<Yarrun> But the user's required to try and get into trouble to keep its need up
<Yarrun> Taser's a fine idea
<Calica> CentralAve: not at all
<Icon> No, no, it's fine to me CentralAve, I just got amused by how Calica phrased it. I didn't mean to make you think that.
<Myrdradek> I want to say that my demon can control rodents, so it's not that hard to get prey for it
<Myrdradek> Also it can kill things, but it can't eat them afterwards
<Icon> Anyway, Carmen (I want to call it SOMETHING), would have the Desir for destruction, and its need could be... hrm, Risk? Not sure on that exactly.
<CentralAve> Icon: nah you're fine I was already doubting myself because that's what I do :V
<Yarrun> Okay, I'll go with desire: mischief. It prefers baffling others over outright destroying them
<Icon> I also think that Carmen would be smart, if not a genius. Like, equal (more or less) footing with Christa, also tempting her with the desire for understanding that she wants.
<Icon> When not, you know, out-and-out influencing.
<Myrdradek> I want to flesh out what it can do more, but I need to think about how exactly my character plans to get the money he needs
<Myrdradek> Like, I'd think he'd summon something that would be conducive to that
<Calica> Look at the ability list if it helps
<Icon> What page(s)?
<Calica> 52
<Calica> since the list of abilities is important in determining the score
<Calica> brb
<Icon> "equal to its Lore"?
<Myrdradek> I just realized I kinda have a Chesire Cat
<Yarrun> So maybe, instead of risk, the watch has the need of...
<Yarrun> laughter
<Icon> Myrdradek: Hehe, was wondering when you'd make a comment like that.
<Yarrun> Cor, I am making the most whimsical demon of all time
<Myrdradek> Yarrun Well cartoons can be frightening
<Omnipresence> URL: [www.youtube.com] Remember Me Eddie? HD - YouTube
<Calica> Icon: As in, if you have 6 powers, the demon has 6 lore
<Icon> Oh okay.
<Icon> Anyway, I'm thinking her demon's Need would be spilling blood in some fashion.
<Myrdradek> Okay, so command obviously
<Icon> Since, I mean, it's a self-righteous violent powerhouse.
<Icon> Or w/e.
<Yarrun> He's more of a Felix the Cat -esque sort of cartoon, actually
<Icon> Calica: How do I determine how many powers I have again?
<Calica> look at the powers list, think of which powers you want the demon to have
<Yarrun> any consquences to picking, like, a dozen powers?
<Icon> Also is it okay if I'm still hashing out the demon's exact physical constitution?
<Icon> I'm sorta juggling ideas with what works.
<Icon> In any case Vitality is an obvious pick.
<Calica> Icon: It's okay, yeah
<Calica> Yarrun: the demon has 12 lore and you can't actually control it
<Myrdradek> Okay, Command, Link, Perception as in super enhanced hearing, and Big are things I think I want right now
<Yarrun> Ah
<Myrdradek> It can command rodents, David can always tell where it is, it can hear anything within a city block if it has time to concentrate, and it can grow to tiger size
<CentralAve> I know I want Protection for sure
<Yarrun> I'm thinking three or four powers
<Yarrun> Warp, obviously, Travel (faster than human), and Special Damage so that when people fall into a warp hole, they can get hurt
<Icon> Vitality because fighting, Protection on account of wanting to live for obvious reasons, and Psychic Force.
<Icon> I think going above 3/4 Lore would be dangerous, since Christa has a Will of 3?
<Calica> It's going to be dangerous regardless but yeah
<Icon> I mean, overly so.
<Icon> Also I'm still not sure what my secretive would apply to for rolls.
<CentralAve> Let's see, I'm thinking Boost because fighting, Protection becuase CentralAve, and Confuse because that seems to fit in an intuitive sort of way I can't quite articulate
<Icon> Only the deeply confused would really understand Confusion? :p
<CentralAve> perhaps u_u
<Myrdradek> The Telltale is some way someone in the know can tell it's a demon, right?
<Calica> Myrdradek: yeah
<Calica> Yarrun: What is the special damage like?
<Myrdradek> Does what I said earlier about it having a mouth that's too wide, no grace, and jagged teeth work?
<Calica> Myrdradek: Yeah
<Icon> Hmmm....
<Icon> These can take physical, noticeable forms right? With the note that only those in the know could really see them for what they are of course.
<Calica> Icon: Object and Passing demons take physical, noticeable forms by default
<Icon> Hm.
<Calica> Parasites and Possessors don't but they usually have hosts
<Calica> Inconspicuous automatically has cloak
<Icon> Because I was thinking either: A, Christa's hair could turn like white or something when the demon is taking charge. Or B, hide in her shadow when it's not taking a physical ghastly form.
<Icon> (Which naturally wouldn't be the most pleasant thing to look at.)
<Icon> could decrease in color*
<Myrdradek> I like the hide in her shadow
<Myrdradek> That could be really creepy
<Calica> I think A would be a Parasite or Possessor(probably Parasite), B would be Inconspicuous and I'd add Cloak to its abilities
<CentralAve> what kind of telltale could a taser possibly have? a weird glowing gemstone on it that only those in the know would recognize as demonic?
<Icon> Calica: Mostly I just don't want some plainly looking human person following her around because that's not how I imagine it working.
<Icon> Plainly looking because the facade, I mean.
<Calica> CentralAve: Something with markings would be my first intuition
<Calica> Maybe the markings change?
<Calica> Like, things like the button labels and brand name, they periodically seem to shift, but only those in the know notice?
<CentralAve> Calica: ooh, i like your idea better
<Icon> Myrdradek: Yeah, just something to give a... plainly uncomfortable and creepy vibe. Like the feeling that whatever is up with Christa, or whatever her exact demon is, you don't want to cross paths with. No one does.
<Icon> Myrdradek: So you're right there.
<Yarrun> Sorry, dipped out for a moment
<IllFlower> The taser is actually a needler, it glows purple and causes explosions if you get the right number of hits.
<Icon> vibe <~ to those in the know and/or when Needs aren't met.
<Calica> Icon: So something's up with your shadow?
<Yarrun> Calica: I was thinking fall damage. Like, a hole pops up beneath them and they fall into it
<Icon> Calica: That makes some sense. Like seeming to change form, except it's so erratic and always in ways that can be explained away mundanely.
<Icon> Calica: Alongside twitching, perhaps? I realize that's stereotypical but it does fit with the demon, I mean.
<Myrdradek> Hmm, thinking of a name
<Myrdradek> Is there a theme we want to go with for names?
<Icon> No idea.
<Myrdradek> Like medieval demonology, or whatever?
<Calica> Icon: So your shadow seems to move on its own?
<Myrdradek> Icon remind me to show you the opening to Nightmare Ned
<Myrdradek> It's relevant
<Icon> Oho?
<Icon> I'm curious.
<Calica> Yarrun: Is the degree of fall damage caused here going to be relatively lethal or relatively non-lethal
<Icon> I assumed nonlethal, since it's mostly out for pranks, it feels like.
<Icon> Haha, look at that dude! Isn't it funny, Old Zachary, isn't is funny?
<Icon> it*
<Icon> Maybe I'm off tho
<Calica> yeah, I can see that
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<Calica> at any rate, once we set up stats, then we'll do binding rolls, and then we can talk about kickers
<Myrdradek> Sure
<Myrdradek> There's a handy process chart on the first page of the Demon chapter, incidentally
<Calica> yeah
<Icon> So the type would be Inconspicuous when not active, then?
<Calica> Icon: Inconspicuous, yeah
<Icon> How do I determine its Power?
<Myrdradek> Icon first you determine it's will, which is one higher than stamina or lore, whichever's highest
<Myrdradek> And then Power is equal to will
<Calica> Icon: Are you sure you want your demon to be 2 stamina?
<Calica> I feel like the way you were talking you want it to have more physical strength
<Icon> Oh, wait, no no
<Icon> I got mixed up ignore that
<Icon> I thought we were copying our characters eg Christa >_<
<Icon> Brain fart
<Calica> nope
<Icon> Where are the statz for demonz
<Calica> Myrdradek just linked them, but I filled them in for you after you put in stamina
<Calica> And then there's the desire and need: you said yours' need was blood, right Icon?
<Icon> I mean, where in the PDF do we look at these things
<Icon> And yes.
<Calica> Icon: 47
<Myrdradek> Icon go to the first page of the demon chapter
<Myrdradek> Yeah that
<Icon> Since, like, one of the example demons has stats of 6/7/6/7
<Icon> And I'm like what
<Icon> Anyway, makes sense now
<Calica> Icon: What was your demon's desire again?
<Calica> CentralAve, Yarrun: Y'all still there?
<Myrdradek> I set my demon's stamina kinda low, because it can boost it with Big if need be
<CentralAve> I'm here, yeah, just kinda zonin' out, sorry ^_^;
<Calica> Icon: Okay, now you need a name and once the other two finish we can do binding rolls
<Yarrun> sorry
<Yarrun> zoned out for a bit
<Yarrun> Anything else you need form me?
<CentralAve> ugh, hang on, got a truck coming in
<Calica> it's all good. The main thing y'all need to do is put in your Stamina box a number determining how physically powerful your demon is
<Yarrun> I was thinking of Felix for a name, by the way
<Myrdradek> It's a reference, and it also means luck in Latin
<Calica> Yeah, I like Felix
» Iconthinks of the name...
<Myrdradek> If you want to, you can use that Ars Goetia link I had to plunder names from, if you're bad at coming up with them like me
<Icon> I'm going for something that sounds intimidating or beastly, though I'm not sure I want to straight up rip. Although I wouldn't mind taking an existing name and corrupting it
<Icon> There's also Generically Threatening but bleh
<Omnipresence> URL: [archives.nd.edu] William Whitaker's Words
<CentralAve> Ok, aside from names, what else do I still need? :o
<Calica> CentralAve: Desire and need
<CentralAve> Ok
<CentralAve> Also, is "Ampere" a good name?
<Calica> Strength is binding strength and we'll get to that in a second
<Nitya> i tried "face fuck" and it didn't work, this is garbage. even though it knows irrumabo
<Icon> lol.
<Calica> CentralAve: I kinda like it, yeah.
<Myrdradek> Yeah that sounds good
<Nitya> it does at least know one for sodomy.
<CentralAve> Is "control" a good desire? I could get more specific, but I'm not sure how to phrase "wants to control others" concisely
<Myrdradek> Sodomy/you may think it very odd of me/that I enjoy the act of sodomy/ you might call the wrath of God on me/but if you tried it then you might agree/ that you enjoy the act of sodomy...
<Omnipresence> URL: [docs.google.com] Sorcerer demons sheet - Google Sheets
<Icon> Like how Ruo is combat-focused
<Calica> Yarrun: Basically, Stamina should be about how strong the demon is
<Calica> and then both Will and Power are one greater than the greatest of the two
<CentralAve> as for a need, what about, like, stealing people's breath?
<Myrdradek> How so?
<Icon> Why would it want to steal breath, or similar?
<CentralAve> because it needs breath to live? i don't know
<CentralAve> again, making it up as i go along
<Calica> CentralAve: What do you mean by steal breath?
<Icon> For example Ruo wants to spill blood, but it's also the most chaotic of the demons present.
<Calica> Icon: Why isn't the issue, it's how
<CentralAve> Calica: like, render people unable to breathe
<CentralAve> choking people, essentially
<Icon> Calica: Right.
<Calica> so, like, choke people?
<CentralAve> don't you love it when you have a convulted way of describing a concept there's already a word for
<Icon> lol.
<Icon> Well Sorcerer is about building off of simplicity.
<Icon> So
<Calica> Yarrun: And you had a desire/need in mind already, right?
<Yarrun> Desire's for mischief, and the need is laughter
<Calica> Icon: The game already has rules about how much need is needed, it varies depending on how much you use the demon
<Icon> Then I'll modify that
<Calica> Yarrun: Are you planning on putting a small Stamina?
<Calica> Icon: I fixed it back to just blood
<Yarrun> I was actually thinking high stamina and lower lore
<Icon> Oop
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<Calica> Yarrun: Well, Lore is 3 based on how many abilities it has, stamina is whatever you want, and then both Will and Power are one plus the higher of the two
<Calica> And once we have Yarrun's stats checked out, I'll go to Binding rolls, and start with Icon because she's used to how the dicebots work
<Yarrun> got it
<Calica> Right now I think we're going to use Omni's roll feature with d20s because it sorts the dice for you
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<CentralAve> Reminder that I'm going to have to cut out in about 45 minutes becuase my shift ends at midnight and it will be time to GO HOME >_>
<Myrdradek> Oh wow it's 11 back home
<Myrdradek> Didn't even think of that
<Calica> Alright. Let's try to get binding rolls in and maybe meet back up tomorrow just long enough to discuss Kickers
<IllFlower> OMNIPRESENCE DICE SUPREMACY
<Myrdradek> Sure
<Calica> So a binding roll uses Stamina, Will, or Lore depending on how the demon is bound
<Calica> This is character creation, so we're not going to do more than a simple roll
<Icon> Uh gotta go get my burrito real quick
<Myrdradek> What page are the rules for the binding role
<Myrdradek> roll
<Calica> page 88
<Calica> Binding is the step after you either contacted/summoned the demon or found it somehow, and it's how the demon becomes yours
<Calica> The winner is who will have the upper hand in any interaction between the demon and sorcerer
<Icon> Back.
<Calica> so Icon: how did Christa bind Ruo?
<Calica> After Icon I think we'll do CentralAve in case she has to leave
<Icon> I'm thinking through Lore, since she's rather confident in her capabilities/understanding of SORCERY.
<Yarrun> Felix required a joke-telling session, I believe
<Yarrun> So, a will roll
<Calica> Icon: So she did some sort of fixed, magical ritual type thing?
<Icon> Calica: Ruo was summoned in what amounts ot an academic, if complex through understanding way, yeah.
<Calica> Alrighty. In that case, use Omni to roll(not add, etc.) 5d20